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10Aug/1012

Why I Don’t Play Fantasy

Games Workshop has just announced that the Island of Blood starter set for Warhammer Fantasy Battles is available for pre-order, and I know at least a couple of my friends (namely, WDR and Hooligan from the Undergopher podcast) are planning on picking up a couple. WDR has been on a big Fantasy kick lately, and has been talking up the game to anyone in our group who will listen. It's understandable; Fantasy was his first Warhammer gaming love, and from everything I've heard the newest edition is very good. He's even managed to get me to contemplate getting into the game, to the point where I've been on GW's website pricing out various options.

However, I just don't see myself taking it any further and actually putting anything in a shopping cart. I enjoy wargaming, and I've been pretty happy with Warhammer 40K, but crossing over into Fantasy-land just doesn't click for me. Why is that? What makes me so adverse to getting into square-basing?  Let me break it down a bit.

  • I'm cheap. WFB is not an inexpensive game, especially compared to 40K. There's the fact that the standard army is 2000 points, as compared to 1500 for 40K, and from what WDR has told me, even that's starting to give way to 2500-point armies. That's not a small investment, and when you consider that units in WFB generally cost less points-wise than they do in 40K, you're having to buy even more minis to fill out that point budget. Even the newer, mostly-plastic armies start to get expensive. Take Skaven, for example. Two Island of Blood sets and a Skaven Battalion box gets you a good number of minis - 120 Clanrats, 20 Plague Monks, 6 Rat Ogres, 2 Warlords, 2 Warlock Engineers, 2 Plague Wind Mortars, 2 Warpfire Throwers, 2 Master Moulders, and 3 Packmasters. It looks like it'd be a decent-sized force if it were a 40K army, but in Fantasy, that doesn't even crack 1500 points. And that's roughly $220 of plastic (assuming you split the starter sets with someone). it's enough to get you started, but it's not a complete army by any means. Granted, it's still a good deal, but that's thanks to the starter set; most armies won't be that good a deal.

    To compare, I started my Tau army with a Battle Force and a Megaforce. That was also around $220, but that got me 32 Fire Warriors, 12 Kroot, 3 Crisis Suits, 6 Stealth Suits, 3 Piranhas, 2 Devilfish, a Hammerhead, and assorted Gun and Marker Drones. It's not quite 1500 points, but add a Commander Crisis Suit, and you're within spitting distance, and it's a relatively complete army. You have at least one unit in each FOC group, and you can get a feel for most different Tau units.

  • I like smaller armies. Going along with being cheap, I don't like armies with tons of miniatures. There's a reason why I don't play Imperial Guard, or Tyranids, or Orks. The "massive horde of troops" army style just doesn't appeal to me, either in a tactical sense or in a hobbying sense. I'm a slow painter, and the idea of having to paint all the figures required in a Fantasy army does not sound fun. At any rate, I wouldn't finish it anytime soon, especially with two other 40K armies in the queue already.
  • I prefer 40K's fluff. I'm a sci-fi nerd first and foremost. That doesn't mean that I don't like fantasy - my D&D shelf at home is a testament to the contrary - but the fluff for Warhammer Fantasy has never really caught my fancy. I don't know what specifically about Fantasy's dark grim-and-grittiness doesn't work for me, but it's just never held much interest. None of the factions really appeal to me either (other than Skaven, for their 'mad science' vibe, and maybe Warriors of Chaos or Dark Elves, but even that's iffy). On the other hand, 40K's sci-fi fluff grabs my attention, and as odd as the fluff can occasionally be, I can discuss it for hours with friends, and I enjoy delving into it. One of these days, I need to pick up a Black Library novel, but I have enough books in my reading queue as it is...
  • I prefer 40K's skirmish feel. Another thing about Fantasy that doesn't appeal is wheeling large blocks of troops around. Whenever I look at a picture of a Fantasy battle, there's something about it that feels very static, and I think it's because all the minis are locked into these nice, neat rectangles. I understand that it fits the pseudo-historical style of combat that it's supposed to emulate, but it's something that just holds no interest for me. Instead, I prefer the looser feel of 40K's units and movement. Granted, Fantasy's movement trays make it much easier to move large units (anyone who's played against a mob of 30 Ork Boyz will appreciate that), but I like the freedom of 40K's fluid troop formations.
  • I'm running out of space! Let's say that I had the money for a full-sized Fantasy army, and that I overlooked my other issues with Fantasy. I'd still have one more major issue - I have nowhere to put a Fantasy army. As it is now, I'm already storing the largest part of my Tau army at a friend's house. Partially, this is due to convenience - that's where we play - but it's also due to the fact that we're trying to declutter our small house right now. Until we get a bigger place, or I get rid of enough other things to have a lot more space (and we already have a good chunk of our belongings in storage), I've got nowhere to put a third army, especially one the size of a WFB army.

Now, none of these issues are saying that WFB is a bad game, or that I'm refusing to play it because of its lack of quality. In fact, if a friend invited me to play, and provided an army for me to use, I'd give it a go. These are just my personal reasons for not diving into it myself. Of course, I'll be interesting in hearing WDR's response to this...

EDIT: It's been pointed out to me that my math was wrong on the point values on two Island of Blood boxes. In fact, you can get to over 1200 points between the two of them, and adding a Battalion box gets the total up to just shy of 1800 points. Okay, that's a much better deal for $220. Add in something from the Rare Units list, and you could easily hit 2000 points for less than $300. That's not bad at all, so the "I'm cheap" point above is questionable. Of course, I am still cheap, and can't really afford to drop $300 on a new army, but the game itself isn't to blame... as much. If I wanted to play something other than Skaven or High Elves, I'm back to square one.

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15May/102

Adventures in Podcasting

A couple of hours ago, I finished my recording session with 8one6 and W.D.R over at Undergopher.com, along with Tim from ThatDamnPunk.com. The subject for this episode was 'An Introduction to Wargaming', and over the hour or so we recorded, I think we covered a lot of the basics, with plenty more to discuss for later visits. We discussed the history of the hobby, both overall and for each of us, what facets of the hobby appeal to us, games for beginners, what we actively play, and a (very simple) breakdown of play. The focus was mostly on Warhammer 40K, as it's the one game that W.D.R., Tim, and I all share, but we also touched on Flames of War, Warmachine, Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and Arcane Legions.

I want to give props out to the Undergopher crew for creating a comfortable environment where we were able to just converse freely without worrying about technical issues. Even though this was only their fourth podcast, they've really been working on stepping up their game and putting more polish on the finished product. In the end, we were able to just sit back on a couch, knock back a beer or two, and geek out on about one of our favorite hobbies - with the added bonus of having people around the world able to listen in. I hope that I get invited back to talk again; it was a lot of fun!

The podcast should be up before midnight Monday night. Please, go check it out!

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11May/100

Shameless Cross-Promotion

I'm going to be on a podcast this weekend! My friends 8one6 and W.D.R. over at 8one6's Undergopher Central recently started recording a podcast for discussing all things tabletop-gaming-related. On May 15th, they're recording an "Intro to Wargaming" episode, and while W.D.R. is an avid wargamer, 8one6 is a complete neophyte. To fill in the gap of knowledge, I, along with Tim from ThatDamnPunk.com, have been invited to guest host and to talk a bit about our tabletop gaming experiences. The final edited recording should be up sometime Monday, but I'll be sure to post about how the recording session went and what we talked about. It should be fun! Until then, check them out at www.undergopher.com, or subscribe to their podcast on iTunes!

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11May/100

Shameless Self-Promotion

A few weeks ago, I mentioned that I wanted to turn my metal terminators into plastic. Last night, I finally broke down and started that process by throwing some of them up on eBay. One box of Chaos Terminators, along with a Terminator Lord, all still in their original packing and never assembled, are now up for auction. Hopefully, they'll fetch a halfway-decent price. I don't know if they'll end up completely paying for a box of plastic Terminators and a plastic Terminator Lord, but if they can pay for, say, half of that purchase, I'll consider the experiment a success, and I'll put the other five Terminators and Abaddon up for auction.

So, please, take a look at the auction, and if you're interested, place a bid!

Chaos Space Marine Terminators x5 + Lord Warhammer 40K

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16Apr/100

A Little Bit of Alchemy

I'm attempting to turn metal into plastic.

As I work on my Slaanesh army, I'm starting to determine which bits of the Chaos collection I acquired aren't going to be necessary. For example, I'm not going to need Abaddon. He's a beast, to be sure, but he's also a major points sink and doesn't fit the theme of either of my Chaos armies, so he's out. I've got a couple of old metal Plague Marines - a Plague Champion and a Plague Marine with a plasma gun - that I'm not going to use anytime soon. My Chaos Marines aren't going to be hurt by not having these around.

I've also got old metal minis that I'd love to swap for plastic kits. For example, I have two boxes worth of metal Terminators (one of which is still in the box and completely unassembled). Sure, they're terminators, so they're good, but they're not as customizable as the newer plastic models. They're also somewhat smaller, victims of the scaling-up of models since 2nd Edition, so their arms aren't easily interchangeable with the newer plastics. There's also a metal Chaos Terminator Lord in the mix who I'd gladly replace with the newer plastic version; again, the newer kit is so much easier to customize and make fit my army.

However, turning these unwanted metal miniatures into wanted plastic kits isn't an easy process. My first instinct was to check eBay. I was hoping to sell off the kits there and use the money made to buy what I wanted. Researching the Chaos Terminator aftermarket, though, was rather disappointing. After filtering out the bits vendors and the Buy-It-Now store sales, I was left with about a page of search results, none of which seemed to be getting, well, any traction. Nothing had a single bid, even those auctions with dirt-cheap starting bids. I've had some luck in the past with selling things on eBay before - I sold off an unneeded Chaos Daemons box for a tidy sum a while back - but this time the market doesn't appear to be in my favor.

My next option is doing some sort of bits swap on some forum or other. I have to admit that I'm hesitant to do this for a number of reasons. The primary reason is that I want to get kits that are still new-in-box, or at the very least still on the sprue, and I'm not likely to get that in a trade. Secondly, I imagine that there's a lot of people that are wanting what I want - newer plastic kits and bits - so I don't see there being a lot of interest in older metal figures. Finally, bit trades are a bit of a free-for-all, and one that leads you with very little protection from scams. That's not to say that people are generally untrustworthy, but I've seen enough people burned online by trade/sale fraud to be a bit handshy around it. At least with PayPal and eBay, there are official channels for dealing with transactions gone bad.

I'm just not sure how to turn my unused metal into the plastic I want. Any ideas?

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